Asked by rd3535399342800 on March 16, 2016
IAW on March 17, 2016 at 5:54 am
You are correct that 10,000iu a WEEK is not enough. To correct a Vitamin D deficiency it is better to take more in the beginning and a maintenance dosage later. So my suggestion is to take 10,000iu EVERY DAY for a month. If ALL of your symptoms, including depression are gone, then try a maintenance dosage of 5000iu a day forever. I do not know what you are determining is an “optimal” level but here at the VDC it is 50ng/ml or better! (The lower end of the range, 30ng/ml is not good enough, cancer risks increase dramatically.) If by chance you get symptoms back at the 5000iu a day, then you will need to go back to the 10,000iu or an amount in between the two.
I am not sure what you meant by “Good for an entire year”? Did you mean the 800’s are good for that long? If so then you can take 6 of them for a total of 4800iu or 12 for a total of 9600iu.
If you add any new symptoms then you are probably magnesium deficient and need a magnesium supplement. (But always write back and let me know.) You should read http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/about-vitamin-d/vitamin-d-and-other-vitamins-and-minerals/.
When you get retested, make sure no matter what, that you get the actual numbered results! Insist!
Any more questions, let me know.Answered by IAW on March 17, 2016 at 5:54 am
rd3535399342800 on March 17, 2016 at 10:34 am
Thank you so much for the response. By “Good for an entire year,” I meant that the prescription (10K per week) is valid for an entire year. Funny enough, those 10K pills cost me $2.5 per unit. They don’t sell 10K Vit D pill OTC at my local pharmacies, but they are available everywhere online.
I am really confused as to why the doctor would make such a recommendation. Do you think it’s because he’s trying to be cautious? Do you know if doctors tend to recommend a lower dosage?
Do you think that 10K everyday for an entire month and then maintaining 5K a day thereafter is enough to have 50ng/ml and above in the optimal range (considering my height, weight, sun avoidance)?
I will be taking the test again in 3 months, so I’m hoping I’ll be in the optimal range. It’s a confusing situation since there’s a huge difference between your recommendation and that of the doctor.
I eat healthy and consume fruits every day, so I doubt I have a magnesium deficiency or any other deficiency. I did read online that other vitamins/minerals are needed for better absorption, but I’m assuming in my case, a simple pure Vit D supplement should be enough. I’m thinking about getting BioTech Pharmacal – D3-5 (5,000 IU), which doesn’t contain zinc, vit K,Magnesium, etc. Would that be good enough for me?Answered by rd3535399342800 on March 17, 2016 at 10:34 am
IAW on March 17, 2016 at 11:48 am
You are just full of questions!
First you should be happy that your doctor did the Vitamin D test. Was it your idea or his? The short answer is that the larger percentage of the medical professionals are still using “old school” information that Vitamin D is just for bone health and no other purpose. (Part of the problem is governmental bureaucracy.) This is why this organization and others exist to try and change this thinking. (One of Vitamin D’s other jobs is to “turn genes on and off”. Receptors are all over the human body, even in the brain!)
I know people would rather get this information from their doctors but you will have to decide if you want to be well or sick.
Now most doctors usually go with 50,000iu once a WEEK which translates to about 7-8000iu because that is how they learned to treat a deficiency. You are under the 150lb average so if you would feel better being a little more cautious, then do the 5000iu a day. I would definitely NOTdo less than that.
You could also do the 10,000iu a day and as soon as all of your symptoms have stopped , then take the 5000iu as a maintenance dosage and see if the symptoms stay away. Unfortunately it may take some trial and error. The 5000iu a day gets most people to the minimum 50ng/ml. Now let me add for example, let’s say you were in some kind of semi serious accident. The 5000iu will probably not be enough to repair things, you would need to take more Vitamin D to help you out of the serious situation. Even a highly stressful situation probably requires more Vitamin D.
I take Biotech, it’s great. Make sure you are getting enough K1 and K2 in your diet. Vitamin K directs calcium to your bones and not to soft tissues where you do not want it. (Very good impressive study on that one.)
Sometimes I also tell people that we know a blood level of 150ng/ml is safe and a person would have to take 40,000iu everyday for months in order to “maybe” overdose. The overdose part is reversible with no lingering ill affects!
Now go take some Vitamin D and get well soon!Answered by IAW on March 17, 2016 at 11:48 am
rd3535399342800 on March 17, 2016 at 8:12 pm
It was my idea to check my Vit D levels because I had an almost complete loss of libido (and other minor issues). I noticed some improvement when I started taking 800ui supplements. My true actual Vit D level (excluding the supplement) must have been around 10ng/ml, I’m assuming.
I think I will take 10K daily for a month and then lower it to 5K.
I wanted to ask you. I don’t know for sure if I consume enough Vit K1, K2, magnesium and those other minerals/vitamins. All I can tell you is that I eat healthy food and I consume a decent amount of fruits everyday. I don’t smoke or drink. I try to avoid consuming too much sugar.
Do you think someone in my case could face any problems in the long run with those Bio tech pils? Should I also do a test to see my Vit K, magnesium, calcium levels let’s say 6 months from now? Is it something to be concerned about if I don’t experienced any symptoms?
Another question: I’ve had some noticeable hair loss around my temple area over the past year (male baldness pattern). Do you think it could be due to my Vit D levels? Have you ever heard of such cases? I had a scan done a few months ago, and it showed that I had scalp inflammation (most likely due to DHT), but I’m thinking high Vit D level could help reduce the inflammation?
Sorry for asking too many questions!
Thanks!!Answered by rd3535399342800 on March 17, 2016 at 8:12 pm
IAW on March 18, 2016 at 4:26 am
I am not sure what you meant by “Do you think someone in my case could face any problems in the long run with those Bio tech pills?” I think you mean taking Vitamin D in general and not supplementing with vitamins. For example if you have a good diet you can get all the magnesium you need. What I have done in the past is looked up each vitamin, the RDA for it (RDA for magnesium may be too low), what food you get it from and decide if I am eating enough of those foods. (If you eat a lot of “green’s, you probably have your bases covered.) You will have to do your homework on the whole vitamin thing!
Vitamin D deficiency causes inflammation.So yes you may be able to improve your hair issue.
Sometimes I ask people to come back and tell me how they are doing. If you could I would appreciate an “update” in a month or so especially on the status of your hair!Answered by IAW on March 18, 2016 at 4:26 am
rd3535399342800 on March 18, 2016 at 10:32 am
Yes, I will keep you updated. One more thing, I had ordered Bio Tech D3, but I cancelled it today because I was thinking maybe it would be better order the D3Plus since it contains Vit K, Mag, Zinc and Boron. Do you think it would be a smarter choice just to be on a safe side? I dislike taking too many supplements, but if it comes in one pill, I guess it’s not so bad. What do you think?Answered by rd3535399342800 on March 18, 2016 at 10:32 am
rd3535399342800 on March 18, 2016 at 10:57 am
I just noticed that D3 Plus is a lot more expensive and won’t be last very long at the recommended dosage. This is getting too complicated. Is there any other cheaper supplement that you can recommend as vitamin D co-factors?
Do most people require these co-factors? I know I should do my own homework, but I don’t eat the same stuff everyday and don’t keep track of everything.Answered by rd3535399342800 on March 18, 2016 at 10:57 am
IAW on March 18, 2016 at 11:42 am
I am still not going to do your homework for you. Purity products has some things but not necessarily cheaper. Most multi vitamins cover most of the co-factors, some of them include the K’s and others do not.
The other thing you can do, for example, is get the D3 Plus (or whatever) and only take part of the dose, that way you are getting something and hopefully your diet is giving you the rest. BUT you will then have to add some Vitamin D to it to make it as close as you can (slightly over or slightly under) to the 10k or 5K that you are taking.Answered by IAW on March 18, 2016 at 11:42 am
rd3535399342800 on March 21, 2016 at 12:23 pm
I know you’ve suggested D3 Plus and Purity products, but they are too expensive for the amount of supplements they contain and the serving amount.
I went to see another doctor for a second opinion. I explained to her that it should be 10k per day for one month and 5k for maintenance. She said that it is too much and that I shouldn’t need to take Vit D supplements at my age. I told her that I generally try to avoid the sun and am rarely outside during the 10am-2pm recommended hours.. 10K per week is what they prescribe for someone in my situation.
She still said that I could be right, so she referred me to a endocrinologist. I’ll be seeing him tomorrow. It is very difficult to argue with these doctors. Vit D deficiency is like something completely new to them.
I’d like to do the 10k a day, but under the supervision of a doctor. Otherwise, I might have to simply take K2 and Magnesium supplements, and try it for a month. Anyway, I highly doubt that anyone who spends a lot of time outdoors is even at an optimal level.Answered by rd3535399342800 on March 21, 2016 at 12:23 pm
IAW on March 21, 2016 at 1:52 pm
And you think an Endocrinologist is going to have more information on Vitamin D then the other doctor?????? Highly unlikely! They will tell you to take the RDA and that’s all you need. If you are afraid of the 10,000iu then take 5000iu and see how you feel in a month or two. The idea was to “jump start” you. You could do the 10,000iu for one week and then do 5000iu and see what happens.Answered by IAW on March 21, 2016 at 1:52 pm
rd3535399342800 on March 21, 2016 at 5:04 pm
Does your organization know/recommend any doctors or anyone in the medical field who is well informed on Vit D in the Montreal, Canada area?
Answered by rd3535399342800 on March 21, 2016 at 5:04 pm
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rd3535399342800 on March 22, 2016 at 9:49 pm
The endocrinologist suggested 2k per day, but said if it’s fine if I want to do 10k per day for a month. So my plan is to do 10k for an entire month to give it a good boost and then reduce it to 5k and maybe 2 months later, 2k.
I had a discussion with him regarding Vit D. He says most people are likely deficient or insufficient. I explained to him that research shows being at the optimal level can prevent cancer, other health problems, etc. I think he kind of understood me, but said the health care system doesn’t give it too much importance. It is what it is. I might not even be allowed to do another Vit D blood test because the public health care system deems it unnecessary (if you’re on supplements) and too expensive. So I’d have to do it at private clinic.
I know Vit K and Mag are the most important cofactors. So in addition to 10k of D3, do you think supplements of K2 MK-7 of around 100mcg and magnesium citrate of about 125mg would be good enough? All three of them taken daily? When should I take K2 and Mag during the day? I take D3 with my deal in the afternoon.
Those numbers are based on the research I did. They might be less than needed, because I might also be consuming enough of them in my diet. Not planning to be on those two supplements too often after the first month or forever.
I’m just worried about having muscle or bone pain, or feeling miserable for whatever reason. Hope that won’t happen. Thanks for all the help!
Answered by rd3535399342800 on March 22, 2016 at 9:49 pm
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IAW on March 23, 2016 at 6:37 am
Well at least you got a nice Endocrinologist that seems to have more information than the average Endo! I told you it was a “political’ battle and while it rages, innocent people are being severely affected!
I think it would be a huge mistake to ever go below 5000iu a day. (Sorry I have been reading Vitamin D information for 7 years now.) (I give my dog 2-3K a day.) The Endo is kind-of right, if you are taking “enough” Vitamin D (as defined by the Vitamin D Council) then Vitamin D tests are much less needed if at all.
Take all of the supplements you listed when ever it is easiest. (I would assume with your afternoon meal?)
If this helps at all if you do not get enough magnesium the following may occur • Irritability or anxiety, Nausea, Headaches, Insomnia, Fatigue, Muscle cramps/twitching, Weakness and constipation.
So Vitamin D should ONLY make you feel better! If you get any of the above symptoms then you need more magnesium at least for awhile if not forever. It should NOT cause pain. If so then you should stop taking it and let me know!!Answered by IAW on March 23, 2016 at 6:37 am
rd3535399342800 on March 23, 2016 at 9:50 pm
Thanks for the advice! I wanted to ask you something. I took 3 10K pills consecutively on March 17, 18, 19. I also took 1 10k pill on March 15. Nothing on March 16. I noticed that on March 18 and 19, I had some very minor painful sensations in my arm and leg bones (or muscles… but it felt more like the pain was located in my bones). Sometimes, it felt more like slight tingling sensation. It would come and go, never consistent, not too often. It was really not painful. Didn’t bother me much.
I read online that it does that because the body is healing itself, but I’m wondering if it could have been a sign that magnesium was being depleted? I will start doing the 10k again with Mag and K2 when I get the Biotech D3 supplement.Answered by rd3535399342800 on March 23, 2016 at 9:50 pm
IAW on March 24, 2016 at 7:32 am
Well rd sometimes I do not know whether or not to give you a long or short answer.
So I have never read anything that “proves” as the body heals itself from Vitamin D deficiency, that it might cause pain and or discomfort. (Except for the being low on magnesium.) Having said that my common sense says that it might.
We know that calcium levels are tightly regulated. So if there is not enough in your blood stream, it is my understanding it will then pull calcium from your bones. Your bones don’t only need calcium and Vitamin D they “need magnesium, zinc, silicon, boron and vitamin K2,” I also assume their is a priority in your body as to what it may like to “heal” first once it is given the Vitamin D it needs but that is my speculation. So if you do not have enough of a certain vitamin or mineral that the Vitamin D needs to fix something, then maybe you will get a “symptom”. Another speculation on my part is your vitamin and mineral requirements might increase considerable while you “repair” and just like Vitamin D, you will only need normal maintenance amounts once you are better. So for example if you cut back to 5000iu a day maybe your food intake of magnesium can keep up. It might take a little longer to get better. Take extra magnesium now with 10,000iu and maybe get better faster. I do not think there is a right and wrong unless maybe you are under 10ng/ml, then I would probably go a different way.Answered by IAW on March 24, 2016 at 7:32 am
rd3535399342800 on May 4, 2016 at 12:48 pm
I’m giving you an update report. WARNING: It’s a long one.
I will start from the very beginning.
Between mid January (or Febuary) and mid March, I took D3 800 units every day. In mid March, I learned that my Vit D level was at 18ng/ml. I am 5’7″ and back then, I was weighting 120lbs.
Between March 15 and March 19, I took 10k every day, unnecessarily expensive tablets prescribed by a doctor who made me do the blood test.
Between March 20 and April 4, I was taking 5k almost every day. I didn’t take some for a few days (maybe around 5 days overall). I also took K2 (Natural Factors, MK-7 from Natto Bean, 100mcg) every other day. Also took magnesium citrate (Now, 100mg) almost every day.
With the exception of the prescription tablets (which I have no idea what brand it was), I don’t know how reliable or good the quality of those OTC pills were. Unlike the Bio Tech brand, it’s hard to find reviews for the brands I bought. They were cheap, too.
* April 5: “official start date”
Between April 5 and May 4, I took 10k (Bio Tech) every day.
I took K2 (Natural Factors, MK-7 from Natto Bean, 100mcg) every day.
I also took magnesium citrate (Now, 200mg) every day
I consider Bio Tech to be a reliable brand, so April 5 is for me the “official start date” so to speak for boosting my Vit D. I weighted 121lbs at this point.
* Side Effects
As I had mentioned, I had minor painful bone sensations in my arm and legs between March 15 and March 19 (when I took 10k every day).
No such pain was experienced between March 20 and April 4.
During the week of April 4 (when I started taking 10k again), I experienced the tingling sensation. Again, very minor pain. A few days later, it went away. So for 3 weeks, I had no side effects whatsoever. However, for the past few days, in the morning, I’ve been having some very minor pain in my foot area. But again, the pain is so insignificant. Not something that bothered me.
I eat a plate of fruits (and sometimes vegetables) every day. I eat healthy overall. But between January and April 12, I was consuming a somewhat significant amount of sugary ice cream and drinks (mostly juice, hot chocalate, French vanilla, etc, no soda). Over the past year, I’ve been eating a lot more than usual. More of the healthy and non junk meals.
I would like to mention that I caught the flu on April 12 and was sick for about a week. I still took the pills.
* Reducing weight
On April 12, the same day when I first got sick, I decided to lose weight. I want to explain something… Prior to one year ago, I always weighted 110lbs. I gained 10lbs in over a year because I was eating a lot more (and possibly because of the sugary drinks). But I was always hungry. I noticed that I’ve been gaining fat in belly area. So I was becoming “skinny fat”.
– Loss of appetite
I was shocked and surprised that two weeks after taking 10k every day, I am much less hungry. There is no way that, say, 2 months ago, I would have felt full with the amount of food I’m eating now. I’m eating half of what I used to eat and don’t feel hungry anymore. It could be the Mag or K2, but I know the link between Vit D and leptin secretion. Keep in mind that I had the flu so I ate very little for a few days. So I’ve lost 7lbs until now (May 4). I’ve personally decided to avoid the sugary drinks and junk food for at least a month and a half more. I doubt that I could have done this so easily without being hungry all the day. I will monitor my weight and see if I can go back to 110-112lbs and see if I can lose the belly stomach.
– No more seasonal allergy
I had allergies back in March due to snow mold, but that went away after a few days. I’ve had miserable seasonal spring allergies every year. This year? No spring allergies, even though the local weather says that pollen is in the air. I can’t believe it, but I can’t confirm it 100% since it’s been a bit more unusually cold lately. So I have to wait at least two more weeks to see if I’ll get any allergies. But at this time of the year, I wouldn’t be able to survive without antihistamines.
* Depression and loss of libido
I can state that my mental mood is much better and “stronger”. I definitely can concentrate more. Depression wise, I’d say about half of it is gone, but the rest I think it’s linked to problems I have in my personal life. Until I deal with those problems and overcome them, I will still have some mild depression, but there has been some good improvement. Libido has been half recovered, could be linked to mild depression, but getting better.
I noticed that my skin looks a bit more healthy. I used to have more pale skin, but now it’s a bit more “rosy”, so there might have been some improvement.
It’s hard to say. I don’t think I have lost more hair, but if there has been any improvements, it’s very minor. I also want to add that I’m using low level laser device and other “special” shampoos, hoping that they too will improve my hair. Hair has been growing somewhat faster, too. So I won’t be able to confirm the link between hair loss and Vit D.
That’s pretty much it. I might have forgot to mention other things. Sorry for the long report! I can post anyone one month from now, if you want.
* 5K from now on
I going to continue taking 5k for two more months and then take a blood test. After two months, I would like to stick to 2k every day.
I’m essentially following your suggestion to boost my level to optimal. If I follow this routine, how much would you estimate my Vit D level to be two months later?
Answered by rd3535399342800 on May 4, 2016 at 12:48 pm
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IAW on May 4, 2016 at 4:37 pm
RD first let me say “thank you” for the up date! I really appreciate it!
Just had another person the other day that said their sugar cravings stopped when she started taking 10,000iu.
Low Vitamin D is also associated with insulin resistance and metabolic syndrome. It is also associated with allergies. (So you got a “bonus” that you probably were not expecting.)
How about “back pain”, any improvement?
You originally wrote the very first time “it is generally recommended to take at least 5,000ui per day, at least for a few months, then lower the amount for maintenance”. We really advise the 5000iu as the maintenance dosage.Now since your average weight is less than 150lbs, you might be able to do with less but I do not think the 2000iu is going to be enough.
Taking the 10,000iu probably helped repair a lot. If you now take 5000iu a day for two months and get retested that will give you a really good idea what level you will reach taking the 5000iu. So if you do not reach 50ng/ml then you will have to take more than the 5000iu.
Why don’t you let me know what your level is in two months and if your still feeling well.
People always ask what their level will be and all I can do is guess. So my guess is 60ng/ml. Now we will have to wait and see how close I am or whether I am totally wrong!Answered by IAW on May 4, 2016 at 4:37 pm
rd3535399342800 on May 4, 2016 at 9:32 pm
Yes, I will provide another update two months later when I get the test results.
I forgot to mention that yes, I no longer have any back pain ever since I’m on Vit D supplements. It was never a serious issue, but more of nuisance or a subtle pain. The biggest unexpected surprise was the significant decrease of appetite and yes, the low sugar cravings. Prior to 10k, a sugary drink was something that I had to have to make me feel “happy” and in good mood, but now, I’m fine with fruits and vegetable only. I will still have it as a treat once in a while after I lose the visceral fat, but not like before.Answered by rd3535399342800 on May 4, 2016 at 9:32 pm